Two Pastors' Podcast

Listen in on conversations between Pastors Beth Scibienski and Michael Droege, two old friends and colleagues who talk about life, love, politics, culture and everything in between.
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Listen in on conversations between Pastors Beth Scibienski and Michael Droege, two old friends and colleagues who talk about life, love, politics, culture and everything in between.

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Aug 11, 2017

The two pastors recorded this episode the day after July 4, 2017; they talk about balancing love of country with the vows they take as leaders and guides in the kingdom of God.

Aug 4, 2017

The two pastors have just returned from annual church mission trips. Michael went to Camden, NJ; Beth went to Portland, ME. Listen in on some of their thoughts and learnings from these experiences.

Jul 28, 2017

Pastor Michael checks in with Pastor Beth as she continues to grieve the loss of her beloved, Pete. She’s had a lot of changes come up quickly in her life since we last checked in with her.

Jul 21, 2017

The two pastors continue their conversation with the Rev. Dr. Erin Raffety. This time, they are discussing her research. As an anthropologist, she studied Chinese foster parents and the kinship developed in various family configurations.


This interview was recorded in the same session as Episode 75 (7/14/2017) and contains similar sound quality imperfections due to the use of a new recording configuration. We apologize in advance for any distractions this may cause.

Jul 14, 2017

The two pastors ask the Rev. Dr. Erin Raffety to speak with them about the need for Medicaid. Erin’s three-year-old girl has special needs and they receive tremendous services from the state and federal government through Medicaid for her.


Please excuse the occasional sound imperfections in this episode. This is our first recording using our mobile setup and we are still in the process of determining the best configuration for our equipment. Thank you.

Jul 7, 2017

[PART 2 of 2]  The two pastors finish their conversation with friend Carol Osbourne about her childhood abuse. Resilience, healing, and wound care are all topics of discovery.

For Part 1 of this conversation, please listen to Episode 73, first published on June 30, 2017.

Jun 30, 2017

[PART 1 of 2] The two pastors ask their friend, Carol Osbourne, to tell her story about childhood abuse. Please join us again next week for the continuation of this conversation, which was recorded live in the sanctuary of Pastor Michael's church.

Jun 23, 2017

Pastor Beth describes the role her therapist plays in her life, and notes that people who need therapy often hesitate to see a therapist. The two pastors talk about how finding the right therapist can be compared to finding a safe, supportive church community in which to belong. A therapist or church community with unconditional regard for us can encourage us to be honest with ourselves and others, and allow us to be our imperfect selves.

Jun 16, 2017

The two pastors compare stories about their recent need for rest. They acknowledge our bodies need to shut down (“self-soothe”) periodically, not just be restarted hastily. But this self-soothing does not always come naturally. Sometimes we have to learn how to disconnect and give ourselves space. We need to give ourselves permission to do so and trust the process of letting go.


Jun 9, 2017

Pastor Michael had what he was calling the “disaster in Connecticut:” a broken-down car, feeling stranded, all on a holiday weekend. And yet in the midst of him needing to ask for help, he found that help was readily available. Listen in on these two pastors talk about the wealth of cultivated community.

Jun 2, 2017

Perhaps there is a more clever title but the honest truth is this is Pastor Beth’s first time talking about the recent death of her beloved husband Pete. Listen in on these two old friends as they talk about love and loss.

Some of you may recall Pete was recently a special guest on Two Pastors' Podcast, Episode 62.

May 26, 2017

Dr. William Barber was the commencement speaker at Pastor Michael’s recent graduation from the seminary connected to Drew University. Dr. Barber is the president of the North Carolina NAACP and he has risen as an important voice for progressive Christianity in recent years. Pastor Michael talks about hearing Dr. Barber's call for us to be “moral defibrillators who… choose non-violent methods to shock the heart and soul of this nation.”

May 19, 2017

While Pastor Michael was in Holland, the country celebrated “Remembrance Day” and “Liberation Day.” As the pastors debrief his trip, they talk about the way the Dutch emerged humble from WWII.

May 12, 2017

The two pastors reflect on our tendency to consume excessively and how this consumption needs to be balanced with creation.

May 5, 2017

The two pastors are on vacation and get together at Pastor Michael’s home to record. They start by talking about vacation plans and how the best vacations can take place even in one’s home. Pastor Beth points out how beautiful Pastor Michael’s home is, and this leads into a conversation on blessings and what it means to be blessed.

Apr 28, 2017

The two pastors begin by reflecting on how increasing years of service at a church can lead to spiritual drain. They move into a more general conversation on our need for rest and renewal (sabbath) and our need to take longer periods of time off (sabbatical). How often should we take such a sabbatical, and what do we do while on sabbatical?


For this episode, the two pastors were recording in the same room. Possibly due to non-optimal microphone placement, there are a few segments of poorer sound quality. We apologize for these imperfections.

Apr 21, 2017

Due to a personal matter, we regret we are unable to bring you a new episode this week. We hope to be recording again soon. In the meantime, please enjoy this repost whose subject matter is no less important than it was a year ago when we first published the episode (Episode 13, 4/22/2016).

The two pastors talk about the resettling of refugees, how that leads to a fear of losing our lifestyle, and how the currency of sharing is not a zero-sum game.

Apr 14, 2017

It's Holy Week in the Christian calendar this week, and Pastors Beth and Michael are taking a well-deserved recording break. In place of a new episode, we repost this one (Episode 12, initially published 4/15/2016) for your listening enjoyment.

Pastors Beth and Mike talk about how their siblings taught them to love and to fight, and ultimately formed the unsaid backdrop of their worldview.

Apr 7, 2017

It turns out both pastors cut the cable cord this past week! The conversation was as much pragmatic ("How to cut the cord?") as it was philosophic ("How should/can we consume entertainment differently?").


We apologize for the inferior audio quality in parts of this episode due to some unexpected problems during recording.

Mar 31, 2017

It’s Multiple Sclerosis Awareness Month; the two pastors’ have Beth’s husband, Pete on the show to talk about his own journey with MS. We hear about Pete’s dad, we get a taste of Pete’s humor and we learn about faith from his unique perspective.

Mar 31, 2017

It’s Multiple Sclerosis Awareness Month; the two pastors’ have Beth’s husband, Pete on the show to talk about his own journey with MS. We hear about Pete’s dad, we get a taste of Pete’s humor and we learn about faith from his unique perspective.

Mar 24, 2017

After viewing the faux pharmaceutical ad for T.I.A.D. (Trump-Induced Anxiety Disorder), the two pastors talk about the news behind the news. For example, what happens really if Meals on Wheels or AmeriCorps is not funded in the new national budget? From the pastors’ perspective, the church and other community organizations will need to respond to provide these resources - and maybe there are better programs to be had if we look to have one another’s backs.

Mar 17, 2017

Pastor Beth says “she’s not funny but she knows funny.” The two pastors pick apart the role of sarcasm, satire and other punny stuff—get it, pun-ny stuff? Pun intended. But seriously… is this thing on?

Mar 10, 2017

Neither of the pastors grew up celebrating the season of Lent but both have grown in their understanding and appreciation for the season. Listen in to find out what their plans are this year.

Mar 3, 2017

The two pastors continue last week’s first anniversary conversation with Carol Howard Merritt (, whose recent book, “Healing Spiritual Wounds (” “provides a way to restore personal faith and connection to God for those who have been hurt or betrayed by established institutions of faith.” The three of them talk about how our image of God is wrapped up in how we are able to love ourselves. They dive into all kinds of subjects this week, including body image and sexual assault. The call remains the same for them: love God, love ourselves, and love one another.

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