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Two Pastors' Podcast

Listen in on conversations between Pastors Beth Scibienski and Michael Droege, two old friends and colleagues who talk about life, love, politics, culture and everything in between.

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May 24, 2019

Listen in on this second half of the conversation with C. Christopher Smith about his latest book, "How the Body of Christ Talks: Recovering the Practice of Conversation in the Church" (Brazos Press, 2019). Just as the human body communicates with itself amongst the various parts, how does our communication with one...

May 17, 2019

The two pastors speak with C. Christopher Smith about having meaningful conversation. Chris’ new book, "How the Body of Christ Talks: Recovering the Practice of Conversation in the Church" (Brazos Press, 2019), invites us to cultivate intentional conversation. Listen in on this first part as Chris shares about his own...

May 10, 2019

How does the church navigate the cultural holiday like Mother’s Day, Father’s Day, Memorial Day, etc.? Listen in on the pastors as they think of border themes and how we can be faithful to God in our reflections of these secular events.

May 3, 2019

The two pastors jump right into a conversation about discernment as Pastor Beth walks into a new season of her life. Listen in as the conversation meanders around faithful listeners, urgency, God’s speed and the concept of holy indifference.

Apr 26, 2019

Joe Biden has announced his candidacy for president. Listen in on this conversation about what the two pastors wish a presidential race could be.


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