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Two Pastors' Podcast

Listen in on conversations between Pastors Beth Scibienski and Michael Droege, two old friends and colleagues who talk about life, love, politics, culture and everything in between. Currently in Season 6, we have now returned to publishing new episodes weekly on Fridays.

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We are grateful to This Side of Eve ( for permission to use the track "Catching Up the Light," from their latest album "More to Come" (available on iTunes, Spotify and Bandcamp), as our theme music. This Side of Eve consists of John and Alyssa Creasy and supporting musicians; John's work is with the Open Door Church ( and the Garfield Community Farm ( in Pittsburgh, PA. Listen to the two pastors' interview with John and Alyssa in Episode 245!

Aug 30, 2019

As we wrap up Summer 2019 and prepare to record new episodes next week, let's revisit this gem from 10/28/2016 (Ep. 40: "The Breadcrumbs of Grace"), in which Pastor Michael recounts a story of how he and his family encountered unexpected grace while on a trip into New York City.

Pastor Michael first coined the term,...

Aug 23, 2019

The two pastors talk about how faith and belief and theology change over time as we live in relationship with one another and with God. What do we do when we find that the God who is, is different from the God that we once thought was?


[Reposted from November 18, 2018]

Aug 16, 2019

The two pastors are still on their summer recording break but we're happy to bring you this repost which originally appeared on Nov. 2, 2018, the date on which Pastor Beth's book "Who is God when we Hurt" launched. The sense of vulnerability and honesty expressed in the book is mirrored here in this podcast interview,...

Aug 9, 2019

As the two pastors take a summer recording break, we offer this double-header of two popular episodes: our inaugural episode, in which Pastors Beth and Michael reflect on what pastors talk about and some challenges and responsibilities pastors face, and Episode 3, on the topic of "contemporary" Christian music and how...

Aug 2, 2019

In this reposted episode from Nov. 2016, the two pastors trade stories about breaking coffee carafes at home. From these humorous anecdotes evolves a conversation about how morning coffee routines, rituals of Sunday morning worship and even the act of reorganizing our sock drawers can help us free up brain space and...