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Two Pastors' Podcast

Listen in on conversations between Pastors Beth Scibienski and Michael Droege, two old friends and colleagues who talk about life, love, politics, culture and everything in between. Currently in Season 6, we have now returned to publishing new episodes weekly on Fridays.

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We are grateful to This Side of Eve ( for permission to use the track "Catching Up the Light," from their latest album "More to Come" (available on iTunes, Spotify and Bandcamp), as our theme music. This Side of Eve consists of John and Alyssa Creasy and supporting musicians; John's work is with the Open Door Church ( and the Garfield Community Farm ( in Pittsburgh, PA. Listen to the two pastors' interview with John and Alyssa in Episode 245!

May 29, 2020

There are other things that have happened in the past couple months—brown bodies have died in acts of injustice all while the crime rate has gone down, and this Sunday is the birthday of the Christian church. Let’s see if the two pastors can pull us out of the conversation that everyone is having and try to focus on...

May 22, 2020

We have had to do some things differently during the pandemic and some changes may be here to stay. In this wide-ranging conversation, the two pastors talk about leaving behind systems and practices that no longer serve us, and consider what we might do to better adapt and respond to our new reality going forward.

May 15, 2020

The two pastors feel like they’ve left “crisis” mode and are beginning to reimagine community life. Together they dig a little at the “whys”: Why do we go to church? Why do we educate our children? Why do we have office buildings? Listen in as they talk about listening for the deeper whys that can lead us into...

May 8, 2020

Once again the two pastors kick around the changing face of church during this COVID-19 pandemic. Every industry is affected. What changes are worth keeping? What aren’t? And why? The two pastors agree that the “church has left the building,” but where is it going?

May 1, 2020

In this season of relating to people online, we are often searching for the familiar or the intimate. Our online tools don’t help us with that. And yet we are longing for a feeling of home with one another. There is a Dutch word, Gezellig, that is hard to translate into English. But listen in as the two pastors talk...