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Two Pastors' Podcast

Listen in on conversations between Pastors Beth Scibienski and Michael Droege, two old friends and colleagues who talk about life, love, politics, culture and everything in between. Currently in Season 6, we have now returned to publishing new episodes weekly on Fridays.

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We are grateful to This Side of Eve ( for permission to use the track "Catching Up the Light," from their latest album "More to Come" (available on iTunes, Spotify and Bandcamp), as our theme music. This Side of Eve consists of John and Alyssa Creasy and supporting musicians; John's work is with the Open Door Church ( and the Garfield Community Farm ( in Pittsburgh, PA. Listen to the two pastors' interview with John and Alyssa in Episode 245!

Mar 25, 2016

The two pastors talk about managing stress, adjusting schedules and finding our breath.

Mar 18, 2016

The two pastors talk how our human relationships rest on us negotiating how we love and are loved. How then do we negotiate a relationship with a love that is non-negotiable?


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Doughnut Plant: 

Mar 11, 2016

What do you think of art that has Jesus as the subject? Listen to two pastors talk about the importance of imagination in understanding ourselves and God better.


Additional references:

1.  Norman Mailer - “The Gospel According to the Son”

2.  Christopher Moore - “Lamb: The Gospel According to...

Mar 5, 2016

Stevie Wonder provokes the two pastors to talk about the importance of accessibility for all people and the need to use our senses in faith.


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Stevie Wonder and Pentatonix at the 2016 Grammys: 

Mar 2, 2016

The two pastors discuss how faith is invisible and religion is its form.


Additional references:

1. Morgan Spurlock, "Inside Man in Nashville:"

2. The Clergy Project, a safe community for clergy who no longer have supernatural beliefs: